FEATURING PRODUCTS OF CANNONBALL CAR, RED BALL LTD SERIES and EAST GARY CAR WORKS

BOWSER --SPECIAL UPDATE of  March 2, 2009

 

Several of our customers have been patiently awaiting the Bowser HO trolley poles they ordered from us in recent months. Some have become quite concerned recently as rumors circulate about Bowser “going out of business.”  We have been reassured by Bowser that ONLY their steam locomotive kits are being discontinued.  Their HO trolley car line is not.  The PCC chassis/drive needed for our coming Brill 55 car is supposed to be available and so are the trolley poles. The trolley poles are still out of stock at Bowser. (We ran out in November). Bowser anticipates rerunning them and being able to ship our pole order “in about a month or so.”

 

INTERURBAN 
GE Steeple Cab
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 Roger Chrysler

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Please note: The Cannonball Car HO GE Steeple Cab and HO Red Ball Baldwin B & D Steeple Cabs include a bracket for mounting the motorized trucks used in the FIRST RUNS of Bachmann 44T and 70T diesels. These are often found at train show.   Later Bachmann models utilize a centered  motor with shafts to the trucks. Modellers tell us of success using Bull Ant trucks currently supplied by Hollywood Foundry.

WESTINGHOUSE TRACTION  HIGH QUALITY REPRODUCTIONS
Custom produced re-publications to special order

CARS AND CAR EQUIPMENT Publication 1739   October 1925      $25 
Photos and floor plans of lightweight cars of BMT Rapid Transit; Coast Cities Rwy; Detroit United; Fresno Transit; Grand Rapids Rwy;  Gray"s Harbor; Honolulu Rapid Tran; Los Angeles Rwy; Philadelphia& Western; Shamokin & Mt Carmel; Tampa Electric; Trenton & Mercer Co

WESTINGHOUSE ELECTRIC RWY EQPT. Special Publication 1863 October 1929  $30
Photos and discussion of Modern Streetcars; Modern Streetcar Control; Street Rwy Motors; High Speed Motors; Multiple Unit Cars; Articulated Cars;  Rapid Transit; Gas Electric Buses; Trolley Coaches; Light-Weight Interurbans;  Heavy Interurbans; Freight Haulage VINTAGE COVER

TRANSPORTATION HINTS Special Publication 1711 October 1924  $30
Some Photos- General Discussion of operating issues. VINTAGE COVER

CARS CAR EQUIPMENT Special Publication 1714  October 1924  $30 Photos and floor plans of lightweight cars of  Boston Elevated; Eastern Mass Street Rwy; Monongahela West Penn; Brooklyn City RR; Cincinnati Traction; Lewistown & Reedville; Ohio Valley Elec Rwy; Wheeling Traction; C, NS&M ; Los Angeles Rwy; New Orleans P S; Indianapolis & Cincinnati; Lackawanna & Wyoming Valley; Chicago Elevated    VINTAGE COVER

APPLICATION and EQUIPMENT of the SAFETY CAR
By GM Woods  and  MERCHANDISING TRANSPORTATION by EG Buffe
publ 1920 SUPER VINTAGE COLOR COVER
General Discussion with Profuse illustration with photos.    $30

 

August 2008 Update

BODY KITS SHOWN ON THIS PAGE do not include superdetails, trolley poles or mechanisms. We stock the Bowser HO trolley pole. Current availability and pricing is posted on the monthly  website "Working on RR" update for these kits:

CANNONBALL  GE STEEPLE CAB  (197-9810) is injection molded styrene and includes both early (arched window) and later (rectangular window) cab walls. This HO kit is renowned for excellent part fit and ease of construction. It includes a bracket that allows use of the early Bachmann 44 (or 70) Ton diesel trucks.  (The early diesels had motors mounted on each truck and are found at train shows internet auction)). AMB models produces super detail kits (shown on photos we have posted) and truck side frame/ improved Bachmann mount kits. These AMB items are only sold direct by the St Louis kitmaker.

  LTD Series BALDWIN STEEPLE CAB body kits are double etched brass and are currently made in HO, S and O scales. The kits are designed for construction using hand tools and modern adhesives (no soldering required though many modelers prefer soldering).  LTD kits are custom produced to fill advanced orders. Windows and openings are open and locations of folds or rolls have grooves or creases on the inside for ease of construction. LTD kits  are produced on large sheets (3 different thick nesses in the Baldwin Steeple Cab) so we typically have small over runs available in stock. The kit includes bolsters that can be installed to accept various brands of power trucks. The HO kit includes a bracket to permit mounting the power trucks from early Bachmann 44 and 70 Ton GE diesels. Prices are subject to revision upon rerun due to the lower quantities being rerun and the fluctuating brass prices. Tooling for class B and D is in production. Class A, B1 and E tooling is awaiting sufficient reservations to enter production.  Further down this page there is greater discussion of the prototype Baldwin steeple cabs.  (Class B  HO #772-100; S #772-64-100;  O #772-48-100) (Class D  HO #772-102;  S #772-64-102;  O #772-48-102)

 LTD Series BRILL 55 MOTOR CAR body is double etched brass. The kit is designed for assembly with hand tools and modern adhesives. Windows are open, folds and rolls have grooves or creases for ease of assembly.  The HO kit includes wood roof that requires some end shaping. The kit is designed to accept Bowser’s PCC trolley mechanism in HO and O scale. The prototype had 33 inch wheels.  These motorcars were originally made by Service Motor Truck of Wabash, IN with Brill subcontracted to produce the bodies. Brill recognized a good thing and bought it out. Further down this page, our website lists the original purchasers, these little buggers were found everywhere in many nations.

(HO #772-358;  O  #772-48-358 ; F  or G 1/20.3 scale  #772-20-358)

LTD Series ILLINOIS TERMINAL CLASS B freight motor is double etched brass. The kit is designed for assembly with hand tools and modern adhesives. The HO kit includes wood roof that requires some end shaping.  The kit includes bolsters but is designed to utilize the Bachmann 70 T diesel mechanism. The late Mr Barker supplied updated research and plans for this project that correct some items in his published plans.  As with other LTD kits, openings are open, rolls and folds are facilitated and the kit body is designed for structural integrity ( HO #772-72)

CANNONBALL McGuire Cummings 2 truck Snow Sweeper #197-9711

This project is on hold due to toolmaker snafu.

 

Other LTD INTERURBAN MODELS DISCUSSED FURTHER ALONG ON THIS PAGE await sufficient reservations to justify commitment on  tooling. Please disregard projected prices and dates.  Other scales of LTD models listed above may also be tooled based on sufficient advanced reservations. After our basic design and initial tooling are complete, production tooling typically costs us about $750 to $1000 to proceed in each scale.

Previous Postings Not Updated

 

Model as built and detailed               

With AMB parts. Kit proper

Shown in "Sparks" below.  

 

The Baldwin-Westinghouse Steeple Cabs by Red Ball LTD

Prototype Info:

ABOUT BALDWIN FREIGHT MOTORS     Because many are asking...The Class B freight motor was used (is still  serving ) by interurbans and railroads coast to coast from about 1920. It was their best selling model-and was widely copied or cloned by railroad shops. We've posted a photo of the test model in HO (test sheet before tweeking) and artist's conception drawing. Note the "offset hood" and three window cab when contrasting it with the GE (Cannonball plastic model shown) that was its major competitor.  A later "economy model" B1  is nearly identical  in cab but does not have the sloped hood.  Two blower boxes are mounted above the trucks on the deck.  This model requires underfloor trucks.

The earlier Model A is similar in appearance to the GE steeple cab but hoods are full width making it far easier to motorize. They were NOT nearly as "standardized" as were the GE models.

The class E is similar to the class D but was ONLY purchased and run by the Chicago, South Shore and South Bend  and the Illinois Central (for Chicago use) (later bought by CSS&SB). Our class E kit accommodates both variations.

The class D was larger, much heavier (usually about 60 tons) and more powerful (most about 1000 hp) than the similar appearing class B. It was originally purchased for heavier service though it migrated in second hand markets. About 75% of the new model D were sold to: Sacramento Northern, Piedmont & Northern, British Columbia Electric, and Southern Pacific (some for SP in Oregon, Sacramento Northern and Peninsula RR but most were for Pacific Electric).  There are slight variations in the class D  motors but P&N cabs were two window instead of the otherwise common three so the Red Ball  kit cannot accurately build P&N models. Oakland, Antioch & Eastern class D motors had a peculiarly  different frame & truck arrangement and would require an accomplished modeler using our body.

Other roads that can be prototypically modeled using the Red Ball Class D are: Lake Erie & Northern; Petaluma & Santa Rosa; Waterloo, Cedar Rapids &Northern; Toledo & Eastern; International Rwy; Niagra Junction; Cornwall Street Rwy; Toledo & Western; Toledo & Indiana; Toledo Edison; Timber Butte Milling; Anaconda Copper; Northern Electric (Calif); Aroostook Valley; Central California Traction ; Red River Lumber and an Argentinian railroad. Apparently, unlike so many other models, none went to Cuba.   Freelancers:  The heavier weight of Class D precluded their use on many lines and their power was greater than was needed in much general service of the 1920-50 era though some lines had both B and D models.

The most common variations in B models are in the frame and ventilation louvers in the hood sides. These vents vary in model D also.  Some are even pictured with different louvers in the same motor at different times.  We've designed the kits for adaptability while taking the most general appearance.

This information supercedes all previously posted info archived  below. Other Red Ball models listed below will be scheduled in HO & other scales based on postcard and email "voting" and then firm reservations.

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INDIANA RR-INDIANA SERVICE CORP- FT WAYNE & WABASH VALLEY

INDIANA SERVICE CORP/ IRR Combines 375-379 and Deluxe Parlor-Buffet (trailers) "Little Turtle" and "Mad Anthony" are dear to our heart. They raced through Roanoke within sight of our warehouse on the Wabash Valley Flier. When Red Ball  released a series of brass kits some two decades ago, these two cars (In O, S and HO) were among them. Leroy Rinehart built these unfinished O scale kits then. The 21st Century  Red Ball LTD  releases will again include the spoked pilot but will be state-of-the-art double etched and include window bars and many more details.  This time we're planning the IRR RPO and CSS&SB line car conversions too.

LONDON & PORT STANLEY (L&PS)  steel passenger cars were among the last interurbans to run in Canada. We have rescheduled the deadline on these cars because there are several reservations here for them-but not enough to allow us to proceed with expensive tooling. Firm orders are still welcome and can result in actual kits! Prototype photo is courtesy of William R Pepper.

INDIANA SERVICE CORP #817 by Red Ball LTD

This home brew freight motor ran in the streets of Fort Wayne long after the Hoosier traction empire (and the city"s streetcars) were history.  It pulled coal a few blocks to a state institution (and it"s own power plant near the famed Ft Wayne car house) and hops to the nearby Centlivre brewery that made Nickle Plate beer.  HO #772-0073 is designed for Bowser mechanism.

 

More Electric Trains

Model Railroad Warehouse offers a wide variety of prototype interurbans, freight motors,steeple cabs, and motor cars in most popular scales. Actual production depends on your orders-we cannot predict when or which will result.

Over 50 different prototypes may be reserved in the Red Ball LTD series. They have been designed and preliminary tooling has begun. Tooling progresses
as (email & postcard-STATING  DESIRED SCALE)
reservations justifty.

  When actual  DEADLINES FOR ORDERS  are posted  the reservation level has reached our "thresh hold" level and final preparations for production are undertaken. AT THIS TIME firm orders should be placed with credit card info (charged upon shipping) or checks (cashed upon shipping), Lacking sufficient firm orders for production we will post new deadlines. Please check this page for updates, we cannot undertake individual mailing lists for over a hundred models in five scales.  Reservations will require your follow-up with firm orders. 

OUR NEXT PRODUCTION SCHEDULES WILL BE DETERMINED BY YOUR

RESERVATIONS AND ORDERS FROM THIS LISTING  We have other CSS&SB; Indiana RR (Interstate,Union,FtW&WV,THI&E etc);curved siders; and Detroit city cars not yet listed-and accept resources for additional cars you'd like. The items now closing in on "enough reservations" are noted.

EAST GARY CAR COMPANY 

O,F and ½” SCALE made in USA

 

White Metal  ¼” (O) SCALE Castings

DIESEL

48-DL1  Armstrong Bracket (bolster) for Atlas F9 pair       $2.75

48-DL2  Freight Pilot for Atlas F9                                                $4.95

ELECTRIC FREIGHT MOTOR

48-EL1  South Shore Steeplecab Sideframe  set of 4      $9.25

48-EL2 Heavy Electric  sideframes –10ft whlbase set 4   $11.75

TRACTION / EARLY PASSENGER

48-ET1  Double Arch Window                             2/         $1.75

48-ET2  Large Single Arch Window                     2/         $1.25

48-ET3  Medium Single Arch Window                  ea         $  .95

48-ET4  Small Single Arch Window                     ea         $ .75

48-ET5 Oval Window                                         ea         $ .75

48-ET6  Strap Step w/brace                                ea         $ .65

48-ET7  Train Door                                             ea         $1.05

48-ET8  Side Vestibule arch top door                 ea         $1.15

48-ET9  Baggage Door arch top                         ea         $1.25

48-ET10 Battery Box – South Shore                   ea         $1.25

DETAIL PARTS

48-1001 9” Turret Lathe kit                                              $19.95

48-1002 6” Turret Lathe kit                                              $14.95

TRACTION / WOOD PASSENGER CARBODY PARTS

–formerly Indianapolis Car Co ICC

48-RE   Wood Steam Rd Roof  prox 89ft -limited supply-            $ 12.95

48-RA   Wood Interurban Roof- Rounded end  ltd supply $  12.95           

STYRENE  PARTS as illustrated on our INTERURBAN page.

48-100  Side w/rectangular sash  new tooling                  $3.00

48-200  Side w/arched upper sash  new tooling               $3.00

48- A1   Very Rounded Interurban End THI&E etc            $3.00

48-C1    Interurban End                                                  $3.00

48-C2    Interurban End                                                  $3.00

48-C3    Interurban End                                                  $3.00

48-E9    Steam Railroad Passenger End                          $3.00

48-102  Passenger Door                                               $1.75

48-103  Side Panel w/ Oval Window                              $1.75

48-104  Baggage Door                                                 $1.75

48-105  Side Panel w/Three dif single arched window     $2.50

48-V9    Bulkhead                                                          $2.50

Items above this line are “open stock”—which means

Our promise to strive for “In stock or in transit” status applies

Items below this line should be considered “special order-

Custom produced”  Neither East Gary Car nor MRRW can maintain

complete inventories and production delays typically  run as long as

ten weeks. Phone or mail orders are charged when shipped.

On Line Shopping cart orders are charged when ordered.

LOST WAX TRUCK KITS- ¼” (O) Scale

48-G-504-A  D&RG Arch Bar –w/steel whls              $24.95

48-MCB   Brill MCB 6’4” wheelbase  as used on ITS $95.00

   1050 Freight Motor.40 lost wax parts does not include bolsters,springs

48-ALCO    ALCO 7’2” wb Locomotive trucks as used on  $60.00

    ILL TERM. Class B. 16 lost wax castings. Does not include bolsters,

    Springs as these depend on choice of finescale or standard O scale.

 

LOST WAX CAST TRACTION DETAILS ¼”

(O) Scale- by Robert E. Bruneau

48-U1    Contacter Case GE                                $6.00

48-U2  Line Switch GE                                       $6.00

48-U20  Resistance Grid  GE—BG                      $2.50

48-U21  Resistance Grid   GE—CG                     $2.50

48-U30  Headlight Resistance Box   Crouse-Hines    $1.50

48-U40  Motor Cutout Box                                  $2.50

48-U45  Insulator Donuts

48-U50  Reverser  GE  RB-13                             $5.00

48-U60  Fuse Box  CSL                                      $1.50

48-U61  Fuse Box GE  MA-19-A                         $2.50

48-U70  Control Jumper Receptacle                    $1.50

48- U71 Buss Jumper Receptacle                       $1.50

48-U110 Air Pump Strainer Westinghouse           $1.00

48-U112 Brake chain sheave                               $1.50

48-U115 Tank end –welded 15”                           $2.00

48-U116 Tank end-recessed 15”                          $2.00

48-U117 Tank end-recessed 18”                          $2.00

48-U150  Over truss anchor                                $1.50

48-U151  Turnbuckle

48-R1    Stack ITS                                              $3.00

48-R10  Vent  Utility round Jet 10 ½” diam           $2.00

48-R11 Vent  Utility round Jet 13 ½” diam           $2.00

48-R12 Vent  Utiliy intake                                   $2.50

48-R20 Horn Westinghouse ribbed                    

48-R30 Lightning Arrester

48-C1    Headlight CSL                                       $2.00

48-C10  Retriever Earll                                       $1.25

48-C11  Retriever OB#5                                      $1.25

48-C15  Catcher CSL                                          $1.50

48-C16 Catcher OB                                            $1.25

48-C20 Marker Light Bracket

48-C21 Marker Light Receptacle                         $1.00

48-T1    Freight Car Truck Bolster- finescale        $5.00

48-T2   Freight Car Truck Springplank finescale  $1.00

48-T10 Journal Box   5 ½” x 10”                          $2.00

48-T20  Journal Box Lid  CSL                             $1.50

 

F SCALE   (1/20.3 uses G track)

Note: This is the scale of the Bachmann geared logging/mining

 engines etc  and LTD Series (Red Ball) Log Buggy brass part set.

 These trucks are custom produced, email for current wait information.

 

48-F100  D&RG Arch Bar Truck kit w/steel wheels $24.95

 

HALF INCH SCALE  (1/24)

See note in O scale listing-re custom special orders with a waiting period.

48-G500 Stirrups   (12)                                       $3.95

48-G501 Fireman’s clinker hook & grate rake       $1.25

48-G502 Steam Whistles (2)                               $1.50

48-G503 Stakepockets (12)                                $3.95

48-504A D&RG Arch Bar truck kt w/steel wheels $24.95

48-505    Climax loco sideframes  (set)               $8.95

48-506 Steam gauges    (2)                                $1.25

48-508 NBW Nut Bolt Washer (60)                      $3.95

48-509 Bolt washers (60)                                    $3.95

1/24 LOST WAX PARTS from Bill Clouser patterns

48-WC1 C&LE Journal box lid –lid includes brake shoe ea           $7.50

48-WC2 Seat Frame                                           $4.25

48-WC3 C&LE roof vent                                     $5.00

48-WC4 Seat                                                     $4.00

48-WC5 C&LE Wheel unmachined cast in NS-like matl  $7.00

48-WC6 PCC Wheel unmachined  cast in NS-like matl   $7.00

48-WC8 PCC Stanchion parts                             $2.25

48-WC9 RR Crossing sign (crossbuck)               $7.75

48-WC11 Table                                                  $4.75

48-WC12 Large sofa seat                                   $5.75

48-WC13 Short seat                                           $4.00

48-WC14 Sofa frame                                         $4.00

Wheel machining available at extra charge on WC5 and WC6

1/24 WHITE METAL TRACTION TRUCKS per pr

With steel wheels. Does not include motor etc. Specify gauge

48-2401  Standard C-80P                                   $100.00

48-2402  Cincinnati Car Co arch bar                    $ 60.00

48-2403  C&LE Red Devil                                   $ 75.00

48-2404  Brill 177EX`                                         $ 75.00

48-2405  Cincinnati Street Rwy 100 series cars    $ 75.00

 

Sparks

A scrapbook of photos & instructions  of our models from proud owners, other traction information, sources and "scrounges".

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ABOUT THE KITS

In his March 2003 Railroad Model Craftsman, review of the Cannonball GE Steeple Cab (styrene) kit, Trevor Marshall discusses the painstaking engineering that makes the steeple cab an outstanding kit.  The same designers are engineering our brass LTD and BBGT  products.  These kits are designed with similar features and for ACC glue assembly. Unless you are a diehard soldering fanatic, no soldering is required.  Most other engraving sets are simply "flat wall panels" requiring scratch building skills and techniques. LTD and BBGT traction kits do not. They are designed for reasonably quick, easy and strong assembly with seams extensively concealed. The kit builder with average experience can achieve superior results!  Kits which specify a drive are designed for adapting that drive.  On those with no designation, the model builder may choose among the premium power trucks or less expensive,  and readily available, diesel switcher or gas electric trucks on the market. These would require one to make/adapt the required mounting arrangements to a  floor of the builder's choice. If the word brass scares you, remember the premium priced imports are built by common labor in emerging nations-with the help of jigs. LTD and BBGT car bodies are designed for "jigless, solderless", construction by you.

General Electric Company was formed in 1892 by the merger of The Thomson-- Houston Electric Co. and Edison General Electric Co. Their chief rival was the Westinghouse firm in those early days as one was a proponent of AC and the other advocated DC. For long distance transmission AC was more practical and became the standard of distributed electrical energy. Electric railways began to become established during the 1890s primarily for passenger service. Early freight was typically parcels, milk, fresh bakery bread, newspapers etc. carried between cities and isolated farms and villages. 

Small freight compartments in the passenger cars were commonplace with some package cars being built. In 1897, GE began selling their type K controller which firmly established them as leaders in the interurban supply business. Early electric locomotives were built for B&O, Hoosac Tunnel and other specialty applications and by turn of the century many homebuilt locos began to appear, usually with wooden cabs but either GE or Westinghouse controls and mechanisms.

Westinghouse was always the leader in interurban engines (called "motors"), it seems, though it was always CALLED Baldwin- Westinghouse as Baldwin built most of their carbodies and much of their final assembly. Similarly, GE bodies were built by steam builder American Locomotive Co. (Alco) with GE assembly at Schenectady, NY. The arched window steeple cab kit represents Alco production. When GE moved their production to Erie, PA, they began building their own carbodies (as represented by the rectangular window cab) about World War I. The engines built for mines and industry were specially designed but so was the tradition for electric railways. Standardization was untried though many began copying the GE and Baldwin designs.

Early production by both builders was 25-30 ton units and some standardization began evolving. By about 1910 the 40 ton unit was becoming more standard in both lines and many interurbans were turning to true "freight trains" as a source of revenue. The CCS kit is a basic GE 40 ton unit which can be "customized" to represent most if the GE 40T units purchased. We are uncertain of final GE production but only about 65 of the competing 

Westinghouse 40T units were built. Westinghouse production moved on to even more 50-60 ton units as these became more desired for freight train power. Production and interurban freight revenues climbed in the early 1920s but GE began lagging in the competition with their heavier 50-60T units. By 1927 both steeple cab production and interurban freight revenues were declining steeply. GE turned its attention to the gas-electric "Doodlerbug" for steam roads. Shops of the gasping interurbans were making do with homemade electric locos converted from passenger cars which had been deserted. Early development engineering on the Cannonball kit was done by MRRW's Bill Hunt, a retired GE engineer and respected modeler. Bill did not live to see the kit and his work was translated to CAD by Al Askerberg. Merle Rice designed the kit standards & parameters and the construction pattern which were translated from CAD into steel molds for a perfect fitting styrene kit by Scott Hammel. John Hitzeman of AMB  ( www.rgspemkt.com )has developed sideframes and a refinement of the Bachmann drive for fastidious model builders. The CCS kit cvan negotiate 6" "streetcar curves "depending on the coupler installation. MRRW, (makers of Cannonball kits) are now working on a Baldwin class B steeple cab for future release.MDR  

Tom Fairbairn wrote in a request for info on poles on the Yahoo Interurbans group:


Prototype poles were chosen to be about 38 to 51 inches (depending on length) circumference 6 feet above the butt and 24 inches at the top minimum, and the bottoms were buried six to eight feet into the ground (or more, in soft soil). Enough length was required to put the top of the pole high enough to allow droop in the span and contact wires and still hold the contact wire 18 to 21 feet above the railheads at a minimum. Poles were hand selected for size and cicumference (meaning: the strongest ones) for use on curves and as anchors.

The best poles were of cedar or chestnut, preferably second growth, and cut while the sap was down. Poles in early years were untreated or painted, in later years were vacuum/pressure creosote treated. The butts were generally painted with creosote or coal tar before "planting," except that the cut end of the butt was left untreated to allow the pole to "breath" and moisture to dry out. The tendency to decay is greatest at the ground line, so the treatments always extended above and below that point. 

Poles set in firm soil would typically have a rake of 2-3 inches away from the track, increasing to as much as 8-12 inches for span wire construction in yielding soil. Typical pole spacing was 100 to 125 feet in city work, and for interurban work with single-suspension trolley.

This information is taken from the International Library of Technology (ICS) textbook 361, "Electric Railway Engineering," published by
International Textbook Company, edition of 1926. If you can locate one of these ICS texts (several editions and volume numbers) and/or
"Electric Railway Handbook" by Albert S. Richey (McGraw-Hill, 1st edition 1915, 2nd edition 1924) either one will provide answers to
most questions concerning methods of construction of street and interurban lines. Perusal of photographs of lines from all over the North American continent at "Dave's Electric Railroads" at the URL <http://206.103.49.193/index.htmlwill also give you a lot of good prototype information, as will any of several other transit and trolley photographic sites.

Steel poles can be easily simulated by using three lengths of thinwall brass tubing telescoped in three sections and soldered, and others have used heavy-duty bicycle spokes (such as mountain bike or Whizzer motorbike). Motorcycle spokes might also be a choice in the larger scales.

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We've been getting many inquiries for info. Out of print sources of general information include Suydam catalogs, and softcover Traction Guidebook For Model Railroaders and Traction Handbook for Model Railroaders.  The magazine Trolley Talk   has a current address PO Box 206, Amelia, OH 45102. Subscription, we believe, is $20 for a 6 subscription year, $39 for 2 years.  $4  overseas postage. Feb 2006.  Other sources-use the West Penn link at our links  center. Thanks for the compliment, we understand your quest for information but we can't be in that business and design and produce kits.

We are in  conversation with a new manufacturer who is working on tooling for a "Little Joe" and pantographs.  He may also be interested in other heavy electrics (such as PRR, NH, NYC, CUT, CSS&SB, MILW, GN, VGN, N&W).  Feedback and offers of technical resources will be relayed. Please do not pump us for info. There is good reason small manufacturers have PO Boxes and don't publish our phones- if you want us  busy making trains. Discussion groups seem to be critical of firms where they can't talk to the people "who know" – BOSS MERLE DOES READ AND ANSWER our email (if you give correct address)  but can't really get chatty without getting further behind.   We also hear from potential makers of line poles and overhead.  And, no, the reputable manufacturer working on underfloor power in HO still hasn't announced it Feb 2006.

 

Subject: Lake Erie & Northern Puts D Class BWs into  service

 Boss Merle,
          I thought you might want to see how the new  "D" class motors look.
 The prototypes were the original motors to power the "Lake Erie & Northern" bought
 from BW in 1915. I'm modeling them as they appeared around 1950.They are in the
 final stages of construction and painting, still have to apply the dullcoat,
 add window glass and headlights, and couplers. I'm powering these with Tenshodo
 SPUD trucks with the proper spoked wheels.
 Using DCC with overhead and common rail wiring.

 Over the years, I've scratch built about eight steeplecabs for myself and friends,
 so I can really appreciate the overall accuracy and effort that you've put into
 these kits. Great Job!  We'll soon have two "B" class motors in service too,
 lettered for the "Grand River Railway". They are presently in an advanced state
 of incompletion. The prototype motors originally came from the "Salt Lake and Utah"
 in 1946, bought secondhand. Wonderful to finally have an accurate starting point to
 model these important locomotives.

  I have had custom decals made for Lake Erie & Northern and Grand River Railway.
 Each set includes lettering for one passenger car and one old style motor
 (as shown in the photo) and one new style motor. The difference in styles is that
 the side window was plated over and the full railway name spelt out in the newer
 style. Number series are blocked for a variety of motors and cars. Sets are sold
 for $2.00 each, plus shipping.
 Specify "Lake Erie & Northern" or "Grand River Railway" when ordering.

Roger Chrysler     Canadian Pacific Electric Lines
 Grand River Car Shops
 73 Forest Road
 Brantford, Ontario
 Canada N3S 6W5
  E-Mail ( grandcs at sympatico.ca )    click for larger image
IOWA TRACTION FRT MOTOR DECALS posted Jan 06
I recently had shoreline decals produce some decals for the Iowa 
Traction freight motors.  If there is anyone interested in purchasing
 a set, please contact me off list.  I have 15 sets left.

Thank You,

Thomas Van Horn
t.vanhorn at mchsi.com
These links are to prototype photos of Indiana Service #817. This model is in the LTD Series by Red Ball
 with the first HO production run expected in 2006-2007season.
http://davesrailpix.com/odds/in/htm/ftwayne18.htm
http://davesrailpix.com/odds/in/htm/isc04.htm 
http://davesrailpix.com/odds/in/htm/ftwayne17.htm

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WOOOOO HOOOOOO WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO Boss Merle was excited to get this comment and picture about the new GE Steeple Cab: "I received the steeple cab kit on Thursday and assembled it last night --- it was a snap. I'll start detailing it this week -- with a TON of stuff on it.  Nice kit -- timely too." - from John Hitzeman - President American Model Builders, Inc.

WOW !!!You should look left below to see John's finished STEEPLE CAB now !!!!! Thanks John !

American Model Builders has posted info about their parts available in our Yardsale.

Click here to see  John's project with his Steeple Cab.
Here are some more of John's project progression pictures.

Steps along the way. - John Hitzman's FD, DM&S project using AMB details, motor mounts, and sideframes. (Available ONLY from American Model Builders.)
Picture 1    Picture 2    Picture 3    Picture 4   Picture 5

 

Here is another picture of a GE Steeple Cab detailed out by Mike Abbott in Iowa.

Here are some pictures  (Picture 1), (Picture 2), (Picture 3), (Picture 4), from Richard Bertz from California of his GE Steeple Cab built up and detailed.

Gerold Eckol sent us this picture of his Steeple Cab.  Great job Gerold !!  Click here for another angle of this GE Steeple Can.

Here is his comment: 

Hi friends,
here is my Cannonball Ge 40-ton Steeplecab,
with AMB lowering kit and sideframes,
 scale size Kadee's,
Sommerfeldt Crocodile pantograph and
 handrails made from NS trolley wire.   

It is painted Caboose (PE) red, and
lettered with decals intended for
SN steeplecabs (Customtraxx)
for my Sacramento Valley Electric RR.
 I still have to figure out how
to hide some more lead in it,
until now it holds 40 grams,
 but tractive effort needs
still to be improved.    Gerold

 

"I just love that steeplecab!
If you are interested I manufacture 
HO trolley poles.
I have a picture of one of my trolley poles
installed on one of those GE Steeplecab
models I made.
The model turned out really well.
To see the picture of my completed
steeplecab sporting one of my #2211 
my trolley poles go to this URL :

http://www.fortunecity.com/business/pen/105/id24.htm

 

You can also see all of the trolley detail parts I make,
including the pilot castings I used on this model.
 Hope you come out with more traction products!"
Happy Holidays, too!     Rick Eaton, PE Model Supply
 http://www.fortunecity.com/business/pen/105/index.htm

 

   
   


"Many are asking what some of our upcoming models "will look like." Can't show em till we've got em, but John Hitzeman of AMB models sent along this picture of his GHB Import ILLINOIS TERMINAL CLASS B for your information."

 
Great job on them all.  Thanks for sharing with the rest of the train world !

Kit 9810 which builds either cab style !

WOOOOHOOOOOOO.....WOOOOOHOOOOOOO..

 Boss Merle is getting a big head with compliments continuing to come in about the GE Steeple Cabs.

             

 

"Kudos to you! I brought home the four steeplecab kits I ordered from the hobby shop yesterday.
WOW!       I am really impressed with the fine engineering that went into this kit.
Great job, guys! It goes together fairly quickly, too. I have one completed.
I made some brass handrails, added two Pacific Electric Standard
 Wooden Pilot castings along with the brass trolley poles I manufacture.
This unit is slick. All I have to do is wire it for overhead pick-up and paint it.
Thanks for the much needed HO steeplecabs!
Hope you can make more traction items in the future! "
 Rick Eaton, Owner PE Model Supply
"WHAT A WONDERFUL KIT!!!!
I think that I might have to just buy another two or three! ...your wonderful kit, and WOW! Great!
Thanks for offering something that was very much needed."  Eric M. Sitiko"
"I would like to comment on how much I enjoyed  building and completing the steeple cab loco.
 This is a long overdue subject, now we need some Niles cars to go along with the freight motors."    Mike Abbott
"...just got your model of the GE Steeplecab switch engine.  It is a truly fine kit.  The fine
rivet detail will insure I have to go lite on the paint so it is still visible.  I expect it will become Milwaukee
Road 10000 the Great Falls, MT switcher. Thanks again for the teriffic new model."    Alan R. Burns
"... your steeplecab kit is great !   It is so precise it nearly falls together!"     Gerold W Eckl     Vienna/Austria
"I received my 3 steeple cab kits and am very pleased.  I have two of them assembled and running on 44 tonner trucks.
 The third will be a "dummy".  I was very impressed with the planning
 which went into the design.  The parts are very well designed
 and the assembly techniques allowed me  to build them quickly but without glue problems."  Wally

 

 

GE STEEPLE CAB     (ORDER YOURS TODAY)   
 Read about it:
CANNONBALL CAR SHOP ANNOUNCES KIT 9810 (sorry that we had this kit recently listed as 9802)
 
designed to utilize the mechanism of the Bachmann 44 ton GE diesel. The Injection molded styrene plastic body
  kit may be detailed with your choice of bells, pilots, headlights, poles etc to represent a wide range of prototypes
  for your industrial, mining or interurban runs. The Frame is 29"4" long (readily modified) (23'0" over
  mechanism-not readily modified). Shipping began in March. Both cab sides shown (with the hood profile) are included.
  YOUR CHOICE OF DETAILS BY CARY, CAL SCALE, SELLEY,  PRECISION SCALE, BOWSER etc. to suit YOUR prototype.

SOME QUESTIONS WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING:
WHAT IS THE PROTOTYPE? Although every traction line seemed to have its own peculiarities, there were "off the shelf" standard models which were the basis of many.  Our kit is based on GE's 40 Ton version with slight compromises to adapt the drive make it appear "close enough" to a 50 toner heft to fulfill either need.  By adding you own appropriate pole/pantogragh and rooftop detail, whistles, bell, headlights, and pilots, our kit can "become" so many prototypes. 

HOW INVOLVED IS THE KIT?  Basic body assembly should be a straightforward one evening.   Hoods, cabs, and frames (exterior frame is non-functional other than coupler mounting, interior frame is designed for motor mounting) are injection molded styrene.  Detailing and painting depend on your wishes and skills.  We recommend slight filling or grinding on the top casting of Bachmann motor mount to seat the body at an appropriate height w/flat 2-56 screw.

ELECTRICAL PICKUP?  Bachmann's 44T power trucks have self contained 2 rail pickup.  Using techniques in the JAN 2001 issue of MODEL RAILROADER article on DCC application to the 44T, overhead pickup can be wired.

SHOW A PHOTO PLEASE?  See picture above.

What radius can the model run?  Sharper than the stock Bachmann loco because it is shorter in length.  Our hood width can be modified.  Coupler mounting tricks can be employed and we successfully tested motor mounting with Velcro(TM) pads to considerably sharpen the radius.  Recently tested in a six inch radius !(Your coupler installation is the limiting factor for your operation)

How much can it pull? There is room for addition of weight, though not as much as the stock Bachmann loco.  Our pre-production weighted test loco moves "several cars" depending on THEIR trucks.

How much WILL IT COST? The kit (which will make either cab style)  can be found in the SHOPPING CART.

When and how can I get mine? Originally scheduled for January 2001, production was delayed 2-3 months by a model ahead of it in the mold shop.  YOU can get yours NOW !   

 

Cannonball products are sold in STOCKING DEALERS & museum gift shops.

   INTERNET ORDERS ACCEPTED by using the shopping cart, or CHECK /MONEY ORDER TO: MODEL RAILROAD WAREHOUSE,  P.O. BOX 411, ROANOKE, IN.  46783

 

 

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Artists Concept of Baldwin B

          
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Red Ball Baldwin B HO Model  
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The Baldwin Class B Steeple Cab

Cannonball styrene GE Steeple Cab HO Body

THE BALDWIN STEEPLE CABS

[ ] Class B industry standard for light to medium duty
[ ] Class B-1
"late Desperation economy model"
[ ]
Class D heavy duty model--a class 1 favorite
[ ]
Class E standard on the CSS&SB & Illinois Central

Brass body assembly kit was designed, tooled and made in USA.     MODEL RR WAREHOUSE Box 411,Roanoke,IN 46783  

This kit in HO is designed to accept under floor trucks, motor-in-cab trucks or (except B1)Bachmann earliest design GE 44T or 70T HO diesel trucks (with truck mounted motor) . The chassis (in all scales) may be adapted to bolsters or brackets before attaching body to chassis. A Bachmann adapter bracket is included for models B, D and E in HO. Trucks, poles (or pans), handrails and details of your choice may be added to duplicate your favorite prototype. 

Assembly may be accomplished with modern adhesives or by soldering as you wish. Parts should be carefully removed using tiny snips or utility knife against a FLAT cutting board.The "bend -and-break" technique can harm thinner parts. It may be used judiciously on the heavy chassis and adapter bracket. Avoid finger prints on the outer surfaces of brass as they may etch into the brass surface. Required bending is done with small pliers. Drill shanks (size used for HO is noted) and finger pressure are used to roll the curves on roof edges and hood tops. Study all bends (and photo) carefully. Unless otherwise instructed, all bends are made on the side toward the etched crease marks, closing in the crease gap.

STEP 1-THE CAB
Remove the two cab wall pieces, carefully bend corners square. Do
NOT attempt "freelance brake bending." the slightest slippage will damage the window on end wall. Small vises with tight, square, clamp-Ing can do this step very successfully. Using pliers, bend the roof support ledges (along top of car side) inward. This bend, AWAY from the Crease is inward-an exception to our direction rule. This ledge will lie immediately below the roof later on. Cement or solder the cab together. End doors fit behind the door frame to provide attaching surfaces.

STEP 2 -CAB ROOF PREP
Remove the roof carefully, it is thin. Determine the holes you will need
To attach pole(s) or pan(s) and headlights or any other rooftop details.

If any such details are to be mounted on hood top pieces, a similar step
Must be followed for the hood top pieces. The end with a small raised Square is the lower (front) area on model B. Tap a tiny locator dimple and drill all holes. A centerline has been provided under the roof. Roll the large radii of the roof using large dowell or ROUND broom handle' Then along roof edge using finger pressure and a 3/32 prox drill shank Or tubing as the radius former. Do NOT mount the roof now.

STEP 3-HOOD ASSEMBLY B,D, &E
The Class B1 model uses special instructions for this step. For B,D & E: Remove the hood parts carefully, they are thin. Bend the flanges on the hood sides carefully so the "hood top" (and front) will sit down tightly on the sides. The top end of the hood top has a flange that will bend upward to attach inside the cab wall. The front-bottom of this same piece has a similar flange that will be bent under the chassis after installation. Hood sides have similar flanges to bend outward for attachment inside the cab end.

NOTE the hood side closest to door must "reach"" inside the cab past 2 layers of metal thus is longer than other side. Roll the hood top radius using a 11/64 drill shank and finger pressure in HO. Next remove the heavy frame (from "Frame Kit" sheet) keeping it flat. Set the assembled cab in place and do any fitting needed (do not attach). The cab walls project downward along- side the frame in the "notch" provided. Glue or solder the hood assemblies together. Carefully check the fit to the cab and frame during hood assembly.

After hoods are assembled, they should be attached to the cab, carefully checking fit to the (unattached) frame.

VENT NOTES FOR CLASS B: Many class B had vents in the hood sidewalls. Other B's had no vents. Those with vents always had them in the outside wall.  Some also had vents in the wall nearest the cab door. If you are modeling a prototype with a cluster of small holes, these should be drilled at the beginning of this step. The vents supplied in this kit seem most common. They are glued on with the hinges along the top. We suggest painting behind the vent area  black and painting the vent body color (separately)-gluing vents in place later. (Some had this vent on outside wall and holes on wall nearest the cab door). Some motors had louvers for ventilation. These can be made by cutting out the grille and fitting adapted Cannon & Co louvers in the brass frame.. . . .

STEP 4 FITTING THE DRIVE MECHANISM
If using the Bachmann HO 44T or 70T diesel trucks, bend the cross shaped
adapter frame and test the truck installation-trucks are screwed in place with flathead 2-56 screws. The boss on top of Bachmann truck may need slight filing to permit proper height and fit under the hoods. The ears of the adapter frame bend down, then out to permit bolting to the mainframe's lower surface for easy removal. For other drive systems, fashion and install proper bolsters or brackets to the chassis frame and test fit under the hoods.

STEP 5 FRAME ASSEMBLY
Refer to the photo before bending the end sill, and steps. Then bend the stirrup
steps along the side. Remember these bends will be toward or "closing the gap" where the bend creases are etched. The side sill is installed under the frame and behind the stirrup steps. The end of this piece attaches behind the end sill with the coupler mounting pad bent to lie flat behind the opening in the end sill. (Note the side sill is attached with the coupler pad at its low side) Test the frame with trucks and couplers installed.

STEP 6 DETAILS & FINAL ASSEMBLY
Many class B had vertical latch handles on the square hatch low on the hood
front. These can be fashioned installing wire in the holes provided. Install bells, lights, handrails, air tanks, poles, pans etc. as desired for your prototype. Attach the roof. Paint and decal as desired and install the body to the chassis. You may wish to install L shaped metal brackets to inside of cab. Six are provided with holes that allow bolting to the two holes on frame and for attaching truck bolsters (not included) if using underfloor power.

ON BACHMANN DRIVES and other preferences  posted  1/06

In our email every day the boss spends much time answering individual questions. So we are posting this general answer session-and will send it along to answer those emails and conserve our time for making new kits, OK?

Our injection molded styrene Cannonball kits require expensive molds (that means two digits in front of the comma) and production runs more like a thousand (not dozens)  of pieces. It is important, therefore, that kits produced in this manner be designed to accommodate widely available, and reasonably affordable, power units. We must sell a lot of these kits to pay for the molds! The first of these kits, the GE steeple cab was designed to utilize the Bachmann 44 ton diesel mechanism that was available at the time. We are aware that some folks desire other drives-and designed the kit so it could be adapted.  Meantime Bachmann has redesigned from the original motor mounted truck to a central motor with shafts and gear towers on the trucks. Our next Cannonball traction release will include such a Bachmann drive unit. Meantime, folks are asking whether that drive will work in the GE or whether we will change the GE.  We have not done it (we are busy doing new things) but we have checked it out.  The trucks are properly spaced in the more recent Bachmann drive. The circuit board alongtop the drive would need removal and two corners of their cast metal frame under the circuit board would need to be filed or ground off to fit the steeple cab over the Bachmann chassis.  There may need to be some fine-tuning fitting of the frame. We are certain the newer chassis would not round as sharp curves as the earlier drive version when used in our steeple cab. (The next injection molded styrene Cannonball release, to be announced this summer, will be in two versions. One will include the Bachmann drive.  A different, longer but similar, prototype will be designed to utilize a Bowser trolley chassis).  Redesigning the GE steeple cab kit would be similar to adapting a rowboat to accept the engine under your auto's hood. We won't unless you'll foot the bill. (We did redesign molds on a plastic  S diesel years ago to make a special run for a mechanism importer-at their expense That was not as sarcastic as you may have thought).

The brass Red Ball Baldwin B and D kits were designed to utilize the earlier style Bachmann trucks (either 44 or 70 ton --will also work in the GE). Adapting the newer unit would be much more challenging in these. These kits were designed to also allow underfloor trucks- both those available and those being promised by another source. The Illinois Terminal B will be designed for the earlier 70 ton mechanism but we believe the later 44 ton (and a likely later 70T) Bachmann chassis may be installed in a straightforward manner. They will also allow underfloor. The Brill 55 is designed for Bowser PCC trucks. Two Red Ball kits that will require underfloor trucks are the Baldwin B1 and the Illinois Terminal C. Others on the horizon are generally designed for Bowser mechanisms (not included).

Recent internet postings commented on the "armrest" mounting of the GE, Frankly, this mount was added to avoid being criticized for not doing anything.  Quite sufficient structural strength is provided by the fit we have engineered for the motor mounting bracket inside the shell.  Since seasoned traction modelers have a tradition of using the pole mounting bolt for roof attachment we anticipated they would pursue this route, tapping into the motor mount bracket.  Those who abhor this practice have their own tricks anyhow. Those not yet seasoned, and perhaps not even mounting a pole yet, will likely find the armrests a satisfactory (and later dispensable) method. Model kitmakers have choices (like the armrests) to make in their kits. Freight car makers, for instance, must include wheels and couplers in plastic kits, right?  But they know a high percentage of consumers have prejudicial preferences and will typically throw out undesired brands.  So the kitmaker must include the most economical items they reasonably can to hold costs, but to provide "what the customer expects." 

Our traction kits are BODY kits on purpose.  Most detail parts like headlights, bells, some horn designs, air tanks, whistles, handrails etc are available as detail parts by Cary, Cal Scale, Precision Scale, Detail Associates, Details West, Tichy, Bethlehem Car   and other part lines readily avail through local hobby shops. Since their placement often varied on prototypes and reinventing their tooling would easily more than double kit price, they are left to the modeler's desires. The GE does include two retriever housings (not available in the lines mentioned) and these will begin as a feature on future brass Red Ball kits.  AMB (American Model Builders) have developed retrofit super detail, truck sideframes and truck mount improvements for the GE steeple cab.  We anticipate they will do this for other kits we release, especially the Illinois Terminal. These are sold direct to consumers (we do not carry these). We suggest you log onto AMB John Hitzeman's RGSMKT  website for current information..

And in scales other than HO?  Well, we are trying to encourage you folks with body kits, but others must carry the ball on the other parts and drives. Unless otherwise stated, body kits do not include roofs at this time in other scales.    (Baldwin steeple cabs include roofs). We are working toward this improvement.
WELL HERE ARE SOME SEASONAL THOUGHTS FOR TRACTION FOLKS
SNOW REMOVAL EQUIPMENT LINKS FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT
 Sweepers - Single Truck
  #3   -  single truck http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pw095.htm
 Lake Shore Electric
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/lse/htm/lse64.htm
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/lse/htm/lse73.htm

 Chicago & Calumet - sweeper #3
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/in/htm/ccdt06.htm
 New York State Railways - Syracuse
 #3006 - Built by Brill http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/syr43.htm
 #3012 http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/syr23.htm
 Sweepers - Two-Truck Models
 Philadelphia Suburban Transportation

#4
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pw138.htm
 #4 Preserved at Pennsylvannia Trolley Museum
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/hicks/htm/hicks133.htm
 #5 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pstc007.htm
 #6 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pstc006.htm
 New York State Railways - Syracuse #3214
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/syr42.htm
 New York State Railways - Utica
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/utic04.htm
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/utic03.htm
 Miscellaneous

 Philadelphia & Western http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pw090.htm
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pw122.htm
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/pw067.htm

 Plows
 Philedelphia & Western / Philadelphia Suburban #10  -      Built by Wason in 1915
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/ehpw051.htm
 http://www.davesrailpix.com/pw/htm/ehpw050.htm
 #10 preserved at Rock Hill Trolley Museum http://www.davesrailpix.com/hicks/htm/hicks144.htm
 New York State Railways - Utica - Wedge Plow http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/utic15.htm
 Rochester Railway - Wedge Plow 01 http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/roch32.htm
 Springfield Terminal - Brill Plow http://www.davesrailpix.com/hicks/htm/hicks093.htm
 Rotary Plows
Ruggles built rotary on the Oneonta & Mohawk Valley
in New York  http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/omv13.htm
Rochester Railway Rotary #018   http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/ny/htm/roch93.htm
UNDERFLOOR TRUCKS  HO posted 1/14/06

Many are asking us about them. We do not make or market them. 
We are very busy making the car kits -- doing what we do best.
 Most of our HO kits are deliberately designed to allow use of domestic
 sourced power systems.  Underfloor can be more realistic and serious traction
 fans usually prefer them.   FYI There are two Australian brands "Black Beetle"
 and "BullAnt" that we presume can be "Googled". 

  A new American source is promised but not yet announced.  NWSL is another
 supplier to check. Tenshodo SPUDS are not currently imported in the US.

Here are excerpts from a recent discussion thread on Yahoo Interurbans group.
  The links are to Europeon sources. 
  I use two Tenshodo SPUDs wired through a single DCC receiver. They pull
 a very good size train, I've never tried to bog them down to see what will
 stall them. On our former Grand River Railway modules, we used to run them all
 day at various shows, pulling eight to ten car freights on the level with no problems.
 There have been problems in the past with the pinion gear on the axles splitting.
 NWSL sells a replacement 14 tooth gear to replace these. It seems like no one in North
 America is importing these right now although they are very popular in Europe and Britain.
 I found a couple of sites selling them new (one in Strasbourg, France, the other in Spain)
 at very reasonable prices and all the parts for them too. There are some British sites
 that sell them but the price begins to climb quickly.

  The NWSL PDTs are longer in the body than SPUDs, so it would be hard
 to get the same wheelbase and have working couplers. The PDTs also don't have the spoked wheels,
 which looks really classy. I used 26 mm wheelbase SPUD Ts on the D class.
 I'm using 24.5 mm SPUD Ts under my B classes.
  http://www.thekitconnection.com/motors.htm  http://www.letrainmagique.com/Tarif_tenshodo.htm
yesterday of my  2 new D class Baldwin Westinghouse models of 
 Lake Erie & Northern  #333 and 335 built from MRRWarehouse kits.

 They're almost completed, still to add glass, lighting, weathering, weight and decoders.
 They are powered by SPUD trucks with spoked wheels.

S Scale Modelers ask

Where to get parts for our Baldwin Steeple Cabs William Flatt produces a wide range of cast details for traction, express reefers and  Canadian diesel details (and express decals).  His reasonably priced items include sideframes, headlights, horns, whistles, air tanks, hatches, choke coil and retriever for our steeple cabs. He also suggests lengthening Miniatures by Eric HO poles for S use. The several catalog sheets he sent required over C$1 postage so US modelers might send a couple bucks ("free" catalogs Cost  10c or so a page you know) to him at 6523 Milburough Ln, Burlington, RR#3 Campbellville,ON, Canada LOP 1B0 .  email :   wflatt (at) bserv.com (Note we replace @ on published addresses to restrict spam spiders). Note: MRRW does not carry these products

 

   
   

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