TROOP SLEEPERS and KITCHENS

HOME

Boss Merle Replies To  MODEL RAILROADER Magazine
TROOPCAR.gif (10351 bytes)  TROOP SLEEPER
The new quick and easy ends are bringing praises like: "all the parts fit easily - beautifully engineered kit"  and
"I think the kits are great!"

(photo courtesy of Oregon Rail of a model built by Bill Basden)

Read about: (click on underlined link)

TROOP CAR  PAGE IS AN INFORMATIONAL ARCHIVE PAGE.

 

Currently available troop car kits, illustrations and info are found on the Cannonball Car Shop page and O/S/:arge Scale page.   Currently available Express and other troop conversion kits are found on the RED BALL page (pages in menu at left).       This page is NOT updated

 

Click on this logo to go directly  to the latest updated info

THIS PAGE DOES NOT CONTAIN CURRENT PRICING/ AVAILABILITY INFORMATION BELOW THIS POINT.  It is retained as a service for archival use.

1. Cannonball Car Shops Page
2. History of the Troop Car & Our Mission to Re-Create It 
3. The CANNONBALL Kit list
4. List of Rail Road Conversions of Troop Cars, Baggage Cars, and Express Cars
5. Click here for an Exploded Isometric View of the Troop Kit 
  
TROOP KITCHEN

TROOP KITS

 9701,   9702,  9707,  9709

ARE OUT OF PRODUCTION

 

Welcome to an information loaded page. Our shopping cart [click here] uses secure paypal payment plan for regularly in stock items. For advance reservation, special sale and limited availability items please use our 800 service or mail order. You are also welcome to order in stock items by 800 or mail [click here for more detailed instruction].  For the very latest updates click here.

HO PARTS  UPDATE November 10, 2005

NOW  AVAIL.:  HO  Six foot (unless noted) Doors as supplied in our troop conversion kits. $6 per pair direct order only:  #772-4004.1 New Haven no window;   772-4005.1  C&O/B&O  4 window ;   772-4006.1  B&O 7ft divided, no windows (suited to many military & baggage uses), 772-4098.1  B&M  3 window (later usage);  772-4104.1   B&M   5 window , 5 panel (earlier), 772-4099.1 M&StL  3 window, 

HEADEND CARS TROOP AND CONVERTED TROOP CAR

Updated  July 23, 2006.  This update supercedes all other price and availability information  found on this page

  B&M RPO EXPECTED AUGUST

Red Ball's converted troop sleeper with plastic shell, etched

Brass sides and doors will be $39.95.  Sides and doors ONLY

To convert Walthers or Cannonball  cars $30.

 

LTD SERIES-these headend  cars are nearing production

PLEASE Click on LTD page for more info.

C&NW baggage  (2 versions)

MILW ribbed side combines (2 versions)

B&O C15, H10, B23 and Cincinnatian

 

N&W baggage & Mail cars still need additional Reservations to proveed.

CB&Q shorty combine tooling  is scheduled to start next month.

 

O & S Brass Troop Sleeper & Conversion

Bodies  are in the LTD series. Click on O,S & Large Scale page or LTD page

 
CANNONBALL HO MILITARY KITS

COFFIN CAR

Many are asking about the delay on our Coffin Cars. We have prototype photos that allowed

Early work on these. There are five prototype Cars a few miles from George, oner of our kit

Design crew and we are awaiting the opportunity to measure and photograph "up close." They have

been in a restricted access military area but were recently sold. They are still inaccessible but George

(and our own "CIA") are monitoring them and access is expected soon.

BASHER'S SLEEPER

Just released: A basic troop sleeper body for bashers and a camp car conversion kit.

Still available are Kitchen, Converted Kitchen and Hospital cars.  Click on CANNONBALL:

page. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE CANNONBALL SLEEPER IS THE ONLY

CAR KIT (in any scale)MADE FOR PHASE 1 OR PHASE 2 MODELLING. All others are

The simpler phase 2 only

 

Cannonball converted KITCHEN kit is correct to Model Monon, N&W, C&EI, CB&Q, FtW&D and C&S

Express cars; Alaska Reefers and C&EI milk cars.Only The Cannonball kit makes "Berwyk Kitchens" with

correct end detail for all Monon and many other conversions.

 

CONVERTED TROOP SLEEPERS

Red Ball double etched brass sides are available to convert N scale MicroTrains®  ($20 each set),and

 HO scale Cannonball   ($25 each set) or as complete HO Kits ($39.95) for specific prototype conversions.

Inside door side sets  include doors, outside include Door guides (marked *)..

Prototype Specific Conversions available NOW are express cars except PM and D&RGW:

B&M 2 door and 4 door baggage versions B&O  C17  and C&O second hand express cars

C&O

Frisco – use B&O C17  

New Haven

REA Express Boxcar

NYC Inside door  and *outside door versions

M&StL

DL&W/ EL

Rock Island*

PM/ C&O Tool Car (door at left end)

COMING SOON

REA/ KCS Express Reefer

B&M RPO

Alaska interchange boxcar 

Alaska high cube boxcar D&RGW Dynamometer.

This includes ALL US revenue conversions!

PGE, ON and AC Canadian conversions can be made from Cannonball's basic body kit.

TROOP CAR UPDATE NOVEMBER 5, 2005    This information supercedes all previously posted availability dates

N SCALE currently available
Etched brass sides to convert MicroTrains cars. All side sets listed in Red Ball HO list below are $20 per set sold direct only.

HO SCALE currently available
RED BALL CONVERTED SLEEPERS with etched brass sides, styrene core $39.95 ea direct or through dealers or brass side sets  $25 direct only: B&M  2 door and 4 door express cars, B&O C17 express car,  C&O/B&O  6ft inside door express; NYC/REA inside door express, NYC outside door express, New Haven express , M&StL express , Rock Island outside door express, DL&W/ EL outside door express,  PM/C&O offsides door tool car. Inside door carside sets include prototypical brass doors, stirrup steps. 

RED BALL PRR Troop sleeper and troop kitchen brass sides & ends set $31.95 direct only

CANNONBALL  WWII Hospital Car $79.95 w/truck frames and decals, Hospital Kitchen Car $29.95 w/truck frames & decals, Troop Kitchen Cars with open windows and with sheathed windows (for CB&Q, D&FtW, C&S, Monon, N&W, C&EI express & milk car conversions). W/Allied truck frames $29.95 ea.  All decals listed 

S SCALE currently available
Brass troop sleeper and C&O/B&O converted express double etched brass car body kit 

O SCALE currently available
Brass troop sleeper car body kit and decal set.

EXPECTED IN NOVEMBER 2005
Cannonball styrene troop sleeper reject kits $12.50  ($16.50 w/ Allied truck frames).  These are rejects because of flashed or unfilled screens along car side. Screen can be quickly removed and replaced with panty hose-or may not be desired for many MofW conversions. Sold direct only to purchasers specifying reject kit, not through dealers.

Red Ball PRR 50' round roof troop sleeper (porthole window version) and troop kitchen car kits. A unique addition to troop trains, found coast to cxoast and later adapted to other PRR uses.  $39.95 per kit.

 

============================================

Updated Jan 2005    This information supercedes ALL previously posted info.

The World War II Troop Cars    Brass imported models by Hallmark and a pioneering epoxy resin kit by Ed Petras (Roller Bearing Models) in HO were the extent of available  troop car models until our Cannonball styrene kits of 1998.  Over ten years in research and tooling, they were designed to allow conversion to the prototype variations and the many hundreds of postwar conversions. Others have recently brought out troop models and some that promised to do so have belatedly recognized subtle prototypical features that created serious tooling challenges and dropped their plans. MRRW has
 now tooled to make the cars available as brass kits in larger scales, provide brass sides to convert other's plastic N scale kit and to marry the
 HO CCS styrene core with double photo-etched brass sides for modeling a wide range of prototype conversions.  This "family album" shows
 actual models currently available from MRRW and lists those coming soon, Scrolling farther along in this page of our website visit an
 extensive compendium of prototype information and some archives of previously produced models.

BRASS O SCALE TROOP SLEEPER BODY KIT

Custom produced in the BBGT line.   This run avail @ $170 or $185 w/ decals  Fig 0-1

Decal set #197-97003 for sleepers and kitchen $19.95

============================== 

This is a view of the similar BBGT  S scale car (still as a kit)  avail @ $125  fi

 

   B&O C16 built by Greg Adams using RedBall M53 kit

 

Red  Ball #772-4360        PRR Troop Sleeper               New in Spring
HO Brass sides, ends, doors "Athearn" steel roof and styrene parts. $39.95 

                       

Brass sides, ends available  Separately #772-4361s  $31.95

(Pre-production model shown does not have stairwell & side vents installed) NEW IN JAN/FEB 2005

PRR KITCHEN CAR #772-4361 is a similar portholed revision of the 50' round roof boxcar HO $39.95 
  
Brass Sides, ends available separately #772-4361s   $31.95             
New in Spring

 

CANNONBALL #197-9708  HOSPITAL CAR

HO Brass Wrapper on styrene core with our own decals and ECW truck sideframes $79.95

(ACL, Ringling Bros  and Monon conversions  to be custom run-watch LTD page for information)

Decal set I #197-97004 is available separately  at $6.95

 

              NEW KIT FEB 2005.  PHOTOS OF ACTUAL KIT

 

CANNONBALL HEAVYWEIGHT WWII HOSPITAL CAR

#197-97006 Conversion for use with various HW cars of other manufacturers.  Doors, decals and instructions $9.95

            HO NEW IN JAN 2005

 

CANNONBALL #197-9710 HOSPITAL KITCHEN CAR $29.95

Styrene kit with ECW truck sideframes and our own auxiliary hospital decal set.

#197-97005 Decal set only  for this or other hospital train cars (not hospital car proper)$9.95

             HO New in JAN 2005 . Photo of actual kit

 

CANNONBALL #197-9713 COFFIN CAR   $TBA

Heavyweight prototype Double etched brass carsides with styrene core and ECW truck frames.

 

COMING LATER THIS SEASON-PICTURED  WHEN MODEL IS READY

 

 

 

Postwar Troop Car Conversions    (Many are still found in service today!)

CANNONBALL #197-9705 TROOP KITCHEN CAR $27.95

Styrene kit with ECW truck sideframes.

Shown here painted as an early postwar  Burlington express car. CB&Q l plated over the windows of their 400 car fleet over the years and many
 open window cars had window bars. (kit 197-9704 is plated). Kit 9705 can be used to do Monon heater cars & cabooses and many roads' M of W cars
.

 

 

 

 

 

 

CANNONBALL #197-9704 EXPRESS ex-TROOP KITCHEN CAR $27.95  

Undecorated Styrene kit with ECW truck sideframes. With its plated windows, this car is correct for C&EI  milk cars; Alaska reefer/heater cars;
 C&EI, Monon, N&W, CB&Q, C&S and FtW&D express cars.  Monon cars were also painted black & gold.

MofW  

CANNONBALL TROOP SLEEPER #197-9701, 9702 is sold out. A limited number of factory reject kits are
 available (direct only) @$12.50 for making the hundreds of MofW conversions. (The flaw: defective screens
 in the vents). Also available Defective 9705 kitchen carless trucks and decals for MofW conversion $12.50

Unlike the original cars, ladders and roofwalks were sometimes added.

Wabash camp car  (shown) is similar to cars found on so many roads that can be made economically using the reject
 Cannonball troop sleeper kits. Many retained their Allied Full Cushion trucks in this service.  We'll include ECW truck frames
 for $4 when ordered with these kits. The steps are from Bethlehem Car-we have them too.

 

Red Ball    Sleeper Conversions

These kits have prototype specific double etched brass doors,& carsides with stirrup steps and  a CCS styrene core.
 They are undecorated, less trucks, couplers & underbody detail. Express carsides (only) may be purchased direct 
 
only for $25/pr +shipping to fit your HO  CCS or Walther troop car and $25/pr in N to convert MicroTrains kits.
 These sides include doors on inside door cars, but  not on outside door cars. Note: Except REA Reefer and
 Alaska Boxcars (sides not sold separately) , these cars had no ladders or roofwalks.

 

 

EXAMPLES OF THE FINELY  CRAFTED CARSIDES-check them out  carefully,
  each kit is different-not just the paint job!: (
scans of actual brass sides)

B&O C17 sides              

 click on pic for larger image

 

NYC inside door sides                         

nyc.jpg (109030 bytes) click on pic for larger image

 

A lot of you have written, thanking us for making the correct car for your railroad. You're welcome-that's the Red Ball way of doing things.
 Jim Sanders (his NYC Car is below) wrote: Hi Merle: I purchased the NYC version o your troop express car a while back and thought you
 might like a pic of the finished product. The car went together very well. I added some wooden blocks to the interior during assembly to make
 "squaring it up" easier…and also to add weight. I painted it with a custom blend of Polly Scale and used Microscale decals to model the later
 NYC scheme. The detail on the sides is great and I am glad to add this to my mail train. Feel free to post the pic  on your website if you wish. 
 
I'm sure we'll do business again soon.  Thanks, Jim Sanders

Well to tempt Jim we're including a picture on down of a two color NYC car done by a retired NYC RR policeman years ago. He remembered
 long lines of them in Cleveland. It was done on the old Cannonball kit 9707 but you get the idea.  There were several lettering schemes and at
 least two widths of that light gray band-as well as inside and outside door cars on the NYC Jim.

THE  Red Ba l   KITS:

772-4001 REA  EXPRESS REEFER  $42.95 (only sold as complete kit) 

#6600-6874

After the REA breakup these ran in SLC, CRX  Kraft & other livery)

 

Coiming during 2004-2005 season. Pictured when model is ready.

   

#772-4002  REA / KCS EXPRESS REEFER (converted troop sleeper)    $ 44.95

The large REA fleet went to private owners and other roads upon REA demise. Found on roads

coast to coast and now available for yours. Brass sides, ends, details. Styrene core and hatches  $44.95

Actual kit shown in gray primer.      Actual kit being modified to Kraft Foods is yellow.

REA Express Reefer on primer


REA Express Reefer being converted to Kraft

 

772-4003    REA/ NYC EXPRESS CAR (inside door)   $39.95 now  

NYC #9300-9599 single gray & 2 tone gray;    REA #8200-8299

nyctroop.jpg (119048 bytes) click on pic for larger image

                    Jim Sanders' NYC Model            

 

     Doug Hunt's REA Model    

          Richard Castangna's NYC Express Car

772-4004  NEW HAVEN EXPRESS CAR   $39.95

#3700-3762

nh.jpg (107716 bytes) click on pic for larger image

          Scan of actual brass carside

 

                          jpg in Feb

                       Builtup Model

 

772-4005  C&O / B&O EXPRESS CAR (6'door)   $39.95

C&O #364-376;  B&O #1800-1813

cno.jpg (115397 bytes) click on pic for larger image

          Scan of actual brass carside

 

772-4006 B&O C17 EXPRESS CAR (7'door)   $39.95 #1700-1799

            similar to Frisco #450-451)

 

 

 

 

Doug Hunt's Model (side scan  is shown above). A few WERE done in glue & gray scheme  

 

772-4098    B&M  4 DOOR BAGGAGE CAR $39.95

#3260-3279

 

 

Doors in this kit were used in later years. Replacement  earlier doors to be available spring 2005  

.

772-4099    M&StL EXPRESS CAR

#400-402

mstl.jpg (93881 bytes) click on pic for larger image

           Scan of actual brass carside

 

jpg coming in Feb

                       Builtup Model

772-4100 NYC EXPRESS CAR (outside door)  $39.95

#9200-9299 + misc. cars of inside door series

 

 

 

772-4101   ROCK ISLAND/ FRISCO EXPRESS  CAR (outside door) $39.95

RI#4200-4299  At least some Frisco's 15 cars (#455 we know) are built by simply snipping  & removing  the
 stirrup step under  the car door.

 

COMING SPRING   2005  Pictured when model is ready

 

772-4102   DL&W- EL EXPRESS CAR (outside door) $39.95

#2111-2121   EL #89-99

  "Similar to NYC #772-4100 illustrated"

COMING SPRING  2005  Pictured when model is ready

 

 

772-4103  C&O (PM)  TOOL CAR (left door)  $39.95

Known to be correct for #351, 356, 357, 359, 360, 361

NCCX 1701 (nee Car #X1603 –ex #361) runs with the PM Berkshire in excursions.

 

 

 

772-4104  B&M BAGGAGE (2 door)  $39.95

#3225-3249

 
"Preproduction sample shown has no drip trough as on kit"

 

772-4104  B&M RPO   $39.95

#3180-3182

 

Coming Spring 2005  Pictured when model is ready

 

772-4105 B&M RPO $ 29.95

One of the most unique troop sleeper conversions was the  #3180-3182 series of 3 RPO cars converted by the B&M

in 1949. Two were later made into baggage cars and one was wrecked on the SAL.   $42.95  Brass sides& doors  to convert Walthers (as shown here ) or   Cannonball cars $29.95

 

772- 4106  ALASKA RR INTERCHANGE BOXCAR    $TBA

Coming 2005 Preproduction model shown

 

772-4107    ALASKA RR INTERCHANGE HI CUBE BOXCAR  $TBA

 

Coming 2005 Preproduction model shown

 

Here is the NYC two tone gray scheme as done on an earlier Cannonball Car kit 197-9707.

AND Custom produced conversion models in Red Ball's  LTD Series (see LTD page for details):

LTD Series kits are NOT open stock. They are made in small batches to fill firm orders BBGT  can   offer all versions shown custom
 produced in other scales
if appropriate quantities are ordered.Only complete kits are offered.

Bangor & Aroostook Cabooses- variety of side choice

D & M Caboose  

 D&M Caboose Conversionclick (this link for big picture) http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dm/dm-x201ads.jpg

C&O Caboose

D&RGW Dynamometer  (preproduction model shown)

 

 

 

 

This is the conclusion of our "available models album."  We invite you to enjoy the compendium of information
 that follows. 

Info, Prices and availability in this portion supercede previous postings
 archived below.

Merle, Merle, Merle, Merle, Merle, Merle

MOW TROOP CAR LINK UPDATES 2004 

Most MOW conversions of anything-troop cars, old boxcars, passenger cars, flats etc. is done at the direction of a
 local wreck master or master mechanic/ No two can be assumed alike, and documentation is the exception, not the rule.
 A vast resource exists from the photos of John C. Larue Jr. whose photo catalogs (and photos) are nominally priced.
 John's e address is
mofwcaboose  at aol.com if you wish to inquire about the catalogs he offers. 

As a result of increasing awareness of the role that troop cars played in the last half century – and what they look
 like-many are being discovered these days on various photo posting websites. We'd suggest a study of our own kits
 and photo resources on this page first. Many sources mistakenly mislabel the cars-note the differences between windows
 of kitchen and sleeper cars. Doorways of sleepers were often widened due to their narrow width. Their off center position
 made this relatively easy. Kitchen car's wider doors were seldom modified. The Cannonball HO kits were specifically
 designed to allow kitbashing to copy prototype car bashing using only photos as a guide. Red Ball express cars with
 brass sides simplify those modifications and BBGT offers them in other scales pending sufficient reservations. But NOW
 while the Cannonball reject sleepers and their kitchen cars are available is a great time to create prototype MofW
 conversions.
 

Sightings of ex troop cars have become more frequent than Elvis sightings. When this page was started there were few
 and we cataloged them by road but the task could become full time servitude for Shambles, our webmaster.
 SOOO.. as we receive links to posted troop pictures we'll ask him to paste them in here for your study and enjoyment. 

Merle,  Came across a picture in an old issue of Railpace  (circa 1996) of a former Western Maryland Troop Sleeper
 in excursion service in Maryland. Did some poking around on the internet and it turns out that it still exists.
 It's on the Walkersville Southern in Walkersville, MD. Here's some links to it:  http://www.wsrr.org/pix/12.jpg    http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=1601  
Also came across a site that has some troop car pictures scattered throughout:
   http://www.trainweb.org/passengercars/Indices/U2.htm  Jason

 TROOP MOW Links CLICK HERE

HOSPITAL CAR PIX-CLICK HERE

 

MORON TROOP CAR MODELS 
A Troop Car Postscript

From Boss Merle          August 2003

This is being written and posted AFTER the Cannonball Troop Sleeper kits have been retired and BEFORE anyone
 imports ready-to-run WWII troop sleeper cars from China (after all, plans have been published) --"for the record." Hopefully
 this timing will help validate the sincerity of purpose for these notes.
 

Enough thousands of the Cannonball HO troop sleeper kits were sold in their 5 year run to reach "break even." Thank you
 for your interest and support. Many of you were most kind in your remarks, then there were a half dozen others too. Despite
 all the current "information" now available, there was literally none when the project started in the mid 1980s. Known extant
 cars had been highly modified and no original plan prints were then available. Earlier kits by Roller Bearing and Hallmark
 brass were "state of the knowledge." My criteria for the styrene kit included design to allow the many hundreds of
 prototype redesigns. This variety factor led to another kit manufacturer recently publicly recognizing their much touted troop
 car kit project was being shelved before happening at all "due to tooling complexities." Yet another manufacturer has
 floated rumors they are bringing Chinese made troop cars painted for Santa Fe etc. So some facts are in order before
 mass merchandising establishes or entrenches some fiction:
 

World War II troop cars were designed to run with heavyweight passenger cars. There are some who misunderstand this
 and criticize the ends of the Cannonball kits designed to do the same (that is-to run with HO passenger cars).
 

World War II troop sleepers were ONLY lettered for and operated by the Pullman Company. Period. There were
 NO Santa Fe, B&O, SP, NYC etc troop cars. There WERE Pennsy troop cars as that road converted some 40 round roof
 50' boxcars and a Red Ball replica of that unique troop car is being released this fall. Pre-production brass sheets have
 been made. Some sources suggest one PRR car was sent to Pullman at Michigan City IN with the word: "This is what we
 want you to build." Leading to the thousands of Pullman WW II sleepers we know.
 

The mold work for our Cannonball kits was not "state of the art," as some delightedly point out, because a) it was made
 over a dozen years as prototype research progressed and mold making techniques also progressed, b) the kit was designed
 to allow prototypical conversion and c) molds for the kit were far more involved technically, than it would appear to boxcar
 lovers. Recall that one of the "cutting edge" kit-manufacturing firms just threw in the towel. I never got TOO excited about
 the troop car critics because not one ever has yet nailed any of the compromises we knowingly made to enable making
 the kit at all. I just figured they could invest their many tens of kilobucks in troop car molds rather than new SUVs or boats
 if it was REALLY that important to them that their own design should have been followed. My first plastic car kit foray-the
 B&O wagontop boxcar-- was criticized by some for not doing the impossible and just doing what no one else had been able
 to do. So that lesson came to me back in the 70s. Designing kits is greatly simplified if you don't have to buy the molds or
 make them work and the prepared plans are neatly in front of you.
 

Published plans are not always correct. Even those most recently published by a highly esteemed magazine had errors of
 consequence. It is now widely recognized by published "authorities" that there were two "phases" of troop sleepers. My
 research clearly indicates THREE side variations, TWO under frame variations and TWO end variations (though the "two
 phases" have only one of the ends and two of the sides). The end variations did not fit any published data and strongly suggest
 to me existence of an "in between phase," as some official documentation also suggests-- but not conclusively. The Cannonball
 kit was designed to build them all, so certainly the instructions seemed tedious to those who wanted one simple easy way to
 go.
 

One reviewer noted the instructions did not tell how to modify the kit for "phase 1" underbody. Very true. For good reason. But
 those who WANTED IT badly enough to study MANY photos had all the parts & jigs they needed in the kit. Most phase I cars
 rebuilt to other purposes had this feature vastly modified for the same reason it was changed in phase II. And phase II was
 preferred for express cars for the same reason. Some MofW camp/bunk cars went unchanged in phase I characteristics.
 

DOING SPECIFIC CONVERSIONS
Now we have moved on and are releasing specific troop car revision kits in the Red Ball line with SPECIFIC PROTOTYPE
 CORRECT photo etched brass sides. Look again at the first Red Ball express cars. No two ROADS were alike in steps,
 panels or door placement. Look REALLY close at your favorite road (often even no two CARS were exactly alike). We are
 laboriously capturing these differences in the Red Ball express cars. Their sides ARE all different. The most obvious
 differences from car to car are in the roof vents being kept or changed. Red Ball is doing SEVERAL of the BANGOR and
 AROOSTOOK caboose sides as they seemed to "throw the dice" as to which windows would be left open on a car-by-car
 basis. Incidentally, we have second hand information that there is a group of 1:1 BAR ex-troop cabooses for sale. 

UNCRACKED CASES
One of the nuts I could never crack was the N&W kitchen cars turned express. The late Gordon Odegard led me to them early in
 the project. Their numbers turned up but clear photos never did and inquiries to that road's experts were unanswered, There is a
 similar need for clarity on the Frisco express fleet. I am told of far more cars than the two numbers authenticated. AND no clear
 Frisco comparison with the similar B&O C17 class has yet been possible. The C&O Society has published a diagram of the
 C&O cabooses (ex sleepers) but no photo has yet surfaced. When REA broke up, their express reefers went in different
 directions. A photo in yellow KRAFT FOODS livery recently surfaced and then there were SAN LUIS CENTRAL cars in green
 passing before my camera. Where else did they go? Watch your train pictures more carefully! I found an Erie Lackawanna gray
 & maroon express car (ex sleeper) the other day .I had taken it the other decade. Riveted express cars with tabs along the
 bottom? Check their ends, they are probably troopers even if the lighting may mask the window plating jobs. The story of PRR
 "Hog Island" cars needs telling, too as does the Chicago rebuilding arrangement for the Alaska RR.  

COLD WAR TROOP TRAIN CARS
A most intriguing case is what the MILITARY did. There WERE Korean War troop cars you know. A Korea car trails in your
 photos of #765 as the Ft Wayne group has one as their excursion tool car. The AMTRAK Coast Starlight had/has them
 converted as baggage cars. But to the Military…. Visitors to the Alabama RR Museum south of Birmingham will find a bunch of
 WW II kitchen cars still decently painted for the military. Army diagrams refer to "Guard Cars" converted from WW II kitchens. A
 retired Erie Lackawanna conductor friend who recognized our troop kit tells of trains where uniformed military rode in such cars
 mixed in unusual freights-- and he was under orders NOT to walk the train in case it stopped or had ANY technical difficulties.
 THEY would do that-with weapons drawn. Folklore tells of guard cars for NASA, munitions, nuclear materials and nuclear
 waste etc. trains. Russ has no idea what he might have been in charge of transporting. Another NS engineer friend has learned
 in transit recently when he was pulling controversial nuclear waste. From a modeler's standpoint, it would be fascinating to build
 some imagineered gray cars with a gray kitchen car or two and publish model photos in the magazines. THEN maybe someone
 would provide "error corrections" so we can all KNOW how to model Cold War trains! Wow, maybe the tinplate fun runners
 could teach us how to make some of them glow in the dark too? Remember, MODEL RAILROADING IS supposed to be FUN!
 The Cold War wasn't such cool fun then, maybe now?

WWII TROOP CARS SERVING IN THE WEEDS
Precious little is being said or done in the way of the tens of hundreds of MofW conversions. They are low on the priority list for
 many so I've decided to make "economy kits" using the troop sleeper car sides that didn't "make the cut" rather than regrinding
 them to melt into other kits. Check out "new sleeper kit" #9700 and lets start seeing MofW cars!! A vast resource of prototype
 photos is available from John C. LaRue, Jr. for MANY roads. Bashing troop cars from photos is not bad without plans. The
 panels and windows are standard and were seldom revised (other than blanking windows) on MofW revisions. 

Send SSAE (2 stamps) for his catalog of photo catalogs. Caboose and MofW are his specialty. Catalogs by roads and by
 ex-troop cars are available:

John C. LaRue, 27491 Duvernay Dr, Bonita Springs FL, 34125-6029   Email: MOFWCABOOSE at aol.com 

Merle

 

KITCHEN CARS converted for roving Cold War military missle train. Click here

 

 

MODEL RAILROAD WAREHOUSE
PO BOX 411, 235 N MAIN ST, ROANOKE, IN
46783 

To: The Editor              November 17,2001
MODEL RAILROADER MAGAZINE
Waukesha, Wis.
 

Your December issue has just arrived with the Marty McGuirk's introduction of the World War II troop cars. Having spent some
 twelve years [before today's vast "prototype information systems] scratching out information to develop the design of the
 Cannonball troop car kits, I was particularly interested. One thing learned in those years was that those "standard designs" were
 anything but standard. So, I'm writing this anticipating you'll receive letters complaining the drawings you published don't agree
 with the car in XYZ museum. or photographed on ABC railroad. In some cases this may have resulted from later modifications
 and upkeep, but there were variations in original construction.

The vertical raised battens in Harold Russell's drawing may well have been on the car(s) used to develop your drawings, but
 other patterns are common along the rivited seams. Low rooftop vents of a different profile are most common. (but our original
 molds were cut based on a car which had taller vents). Their placement seems consistent on sleepers (unless removed) but
 there appear to have been variant placements on the Berwyk kitchen cars. Russell shows two notch patterns for the car's skirts,
 which are correct-- but there is a third variation. to the design (top of page 91) which has one notch near each end of the center
 skirt. This is shown in the kit plans as it was designed to allow building all three designs.

There were two car end variations, which are apparently not unique to the two different lots. The sheet metal is braked twice
 along the bottom of the other design and in most photos will appear as an "end sill" because of camera angle. Apparently no
 kitchens had this feature but there are still more than the two basic end variations of kitchen cars. The lavatory windows appear
 small. Perhaps this is caused by the thickness of the window sashes.
 

Underframes of the first lot (only) did vary from Russell's drawing. There was a curved metal chord showing beneath the notched
 skirts on both sides of the stairwell and passing behind the stairwell. This brace was deemed necessary for support due to the
 trap door opening. The Cannonball kit includes a cast styrene bracket to allow forming this part from Evergreen strip-- for the
 fastidious. This brace shows in many postward conversions where the stairwell is removed. Although the unique Allied trucks
 are said to allow for European clearances, the only troop sleepers to leave "the 48" went to postwar rail service in Alaska,
 Canada and Mexico.
 

Third and fourth edition sleeper kits (2001) are supplied with a new car end with collision posts (diaphragm) and door in place
 for much easier construction than the first edition sample supplied to MR two years ago. These parts are available for
 purchasers of earlier kits. ($2.50 and SSAE). Thank you again for an informative introduction to such an important car--which
 later appeared in the service of over a hundred rail lines.

Merle Rice – Model Rail Road Warehouse
TROOP MOW Links:  Hospital Cars Railroad.htm

 



Kevin Grady sends along Yet another use
for WWII Troop Sleepers-
the MOOSE CABOOSE LODGE!
Our reject troop sleepers can
do this with your help!

  http://alaskaadventurecabins.com/cabins4.htm

 


Click on either pic for larger image
Matthew Reid writes:  As an addition to the list of RR's that used ex  troop cars. Northern Alberta Railways had 2 troop  sleepers that were converted to Baggage Express  cars, NAR Nos 1220 (nee U.S. Army Troop Sleeper  9286) & NAR 1221. Both retained the orginal Allied  trucks through out their Service lives with the NAR  and later the CNR.   After the NAR was wholly absorbed by the CNR in  1981, Canadian National used Car 1220 as Cable  Storage Car CNR No 61141.  1220 remained in service with the CNR until 1994,  it was retired in 1994 and in 1995 it was donated to the Alberta Railway Museum .  www.railwaymuseum.ab.ca   Car number 1221 was damaged by a fire some time in  it's service life with the NAR and was sold for  scrap.   The NAR had these Troop cars on their system after  the construction of the Alcan (Alaska) Hyway  http://www.tannersacre.com/alcan.html and the  Canol  oil pipe line project   http://www.explorenorth.com/library/yafeatures/bl-canol.htm   These two cars were removed off the rail & placed  on  the ground and were used as bunk houses for U.S  military personal helping cordinate the arrival of  equipment for the construction of these projects  at  the NAR rail head in Northern Alberta.   Lore has it the NAR was going to charge the U.S  Govt  an outragous amount to refit the trucks to these  cars rerail them and return these cars off thier  system.   Instead they brokered a deal for their purchase at  a  much much lower cost than returning them home.   I have a picture I took of of NAR 1220 (nee U.S.  Army Troop Sleeper 9286)As it sits today at the  Alberta Railway Museum fully restored to NAR  Baggage  Exepress configuration.  too. 
This link is not a troop car. But it IS a view that can help you understand "Heater Cars."

Many roads converted troop cars into heater cars. Since they were equipped for high speed service,
 the troop conversions usually rolled with trains where locomotives were unequipped or under equipped
 to keep the trains warm in winter conditions.
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200601130730501572.jpg&bydate%3A1

 

Check out the added "porch" on 940300.
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co940300ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co940255ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co940161ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911160ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911009ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911008ags.jpg
Once again, more C&O troop conversions.
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911006ags.jpg

 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911007ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911010ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911109ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911116ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911126ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911155ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co940203ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911148ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911044ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911038ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911012ags.jpg

 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co940151ags.jpg

Steam generator car
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co914130ags.jpg
 Bunk Cars?
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911014ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911031ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911110ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911111ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911125ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911140ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911152ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911157ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911161ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911164ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911118ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911119ags.jpg
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co911137ags.jpg

 another New Haven troop car conversion
 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nh/nh-mwm-ags.jpg

HOME

©MRRWAREHOUSE